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		<title>Comment on Expat vs. Immigrant by mattheath</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattheath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of those that pointed out legitimate differences in the meaning of the 2 words are, of course, right but it is very often the case the case that 2 situations will be symmetrical except for ethnicity or class and that then defines the choice of word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of those that pointed out legitimate differences in the meaning of the 2 words are, of course, right but it is very often the case the case that 2 situations will be symmetrical except for ethnicity or class and that then defines the choice of word.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expat vs. Immigrant by Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,hope you don&#039;t mind me throwing in two pennies.. Couldn&#039;t expat and immigrant just depend on who, or more importantly which nationality, is talking about you?  I live in England, so to me, you are an expat, you have been/are expatriated from this country. To the people of Portugal, you are an immigrant as you have immigrated into their country. To be honest I should probably use the word emmigrant, not expat, to describe you. What do you think? I don&#039;t see any need for there to be a racist undertone to the use of either term. 
Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,hope you don&#8217;t mind me throwing in two pennies.. Couldn&#8217;t expat and immigrant just depend on who, or more importantly which nationality, is talking about you?  I live in England, so to me, you are an expat, you have been/are expatriated from this country. To the people of Portugal, you are an immigrant as you have immigrated into their country. To be honest I should probably use the word emmigrant, not expat, to describe you. What do you think? I don&#8217;t see any need for there to be a racist undertone to the use of either term.<br />
Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on This weeks finds in General Mathematics by Klaus Lange</title>
		<link>http://mattheath.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/this-weeks-finds-in-general-mathematics/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

mmmhhh. It&#039;s clear: My paper holds a new approach and it is more a kind of experimental mathematics. But the aim is to start a discussion about the basics of set theory. The existence or not existence of isolated prime numbers - as I defined that prime subset - is not provable with a finite set of terms/ forms because we need infinite many steps to calculate the properties (having not a prime cousin partner). 

Did it was unwise to read about this? It was your decision to think that. And it was my decision to wrote it and a decision of a spacialist about Gödel theorem endorsing my first paper...

Hoping reading my second paper about a substitution of Brouwers choice sequence  makes clear whats going on.

Thank you very much and best regards,

Klaus Lange</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>mmmhhh. It&#8217;s clear: My paper holds a new approach and it is more a kind of experimental mathematics. But the aim is to start a discussion about the basics of set theory. The existence or not existence of isolated prime numbers &#8211; as I defined that prime subset &#8211; is not provable with a finite set of terms/ forms because we need infinite many steps to calculate the properties (having not a prime cousin partner). </p>
<p>Did it was unwise to read about this? It was your decision to think that. And it was my decision to wrote it and a decision of a spacialist about Gödel theorem endorsing my first paper&#8230;</p>
<p>Hoping reading my second paper about a substitution of Brouwers choice sequence  makes clear whats going on.</p>
<p>Thank you very much and best regards,</p>
<p>Klaus Lange</p>
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		<title>Comment on The truth about mathematics. by Surbhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surbhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey could u answer this that how is truth different in ethics and maths?
maths to is based on assumptions..which then hints that it is not absolute..but relative depnding on the assumption chosen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey could u answer this that how is truth different in ethics and maths?<br />
maths to is based on assumptions..which then hints that it is not absolute..but relative depnding on the assumption chosen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Induction on buffalo by Phil H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The style of this entry reminds me of the proof (by induction) of the proposition that &#039;Alexander the Great did not exist, and he had an infinite number of limbs&#039;:  http://www.fortfreedom.org/b19.htm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The style of this entry reminds me of the proof (by induction) of the proposition that &#8216;Alexander the Great did not exist, and he had an infinite number of limbs&#8217;:  <a href="http://www.fortfreedom.org/b19.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fortfreedom.org/b19.htm</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This weeks finds in General Mathematics by notedscholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>notedscholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a decent description of what I think, although I&#039;m not sure I would call it Platonism.

NS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a decent description of what I think, although I&#8217;m not sure I would call it Platonism.</p>
<p>NS</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expat vs. Immigrant by GaigGentHeego</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaigGentHeego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 04:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Интересный блог, могу предложить обмен постовыми.
 
здесь видел ет &lt;a href=&quot;http://gamebulletin.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gamebulletin.ru&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Интересный блог, могу предложить обмен постовыми.</p>
<p>здесь видел ет <a href="http://gamebulletin.ru" rel="nofollow">gamebulletin.ru</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Expat vs. Immigrant by ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 21:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think there is alot of racism, and classism involved with using the term expat or immigrant. they dont call mexican migrant workers expats. they say expats are people who dont try to assimilate to the local culture, but this is the very thing that many locals complain about. its what they do in germany about the turks. do we call turks expats? they complain about turks not blending in, but are welcoming americans expats with open arms. when an american doesnt speak german, its ok, we&#039;ll all just speak english instead, but when a turk doesnt speak german, then all of a sudden hes an evil villain. i think you will find a lot of people who are labeled immigrants want to one day go back to their country. i frequently hear stories from immigrants who say that when they make enough money, they will go back to their country. i hear american born colombians in america refer to colombia as their country and not usa. my aunti is a chinese in america, and she has never learned the english, never associates with americans, and only eats chinese food. would you call her an expat? because she is always talking about if she ever wins the lottery, she will go back to hong kong. i used to know a chinese woman who immigrated to canada, just to get a canadian passport, so that she can travel to countries visa free. she had no intention of staying in canada. she wasnt even in canada half the time, and just wanted to fulfil the 2yrs in order to get the citizenship. she had a house in china, and her husband and kids were there also. would she be considered an immigrant? they say that an immigrant is someone who is settled in a foreign country, and burned all bridges with their country of origin, but you will find that in fact many mexican americans go back to mexico quite frequently and for long periods of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think there is alot of racism, and classism involved with using the term expat or immigrant. they dont call mexican migrant workers expats. they say expats are people who dont try to assimilate to the local culture, but this is the very thing that many locals complain about. its what they do in germany about the turks. do we call turks expats? they complain about turks not blending in, but are welcoming americans expats with open arms. when an american doesnt speak german, its ok, we&#8217;ll all just speak english instead, but when a turk doesnt speak german, then all of a sudden hes an evil villain. i think you will find a lot of people who are labeled immigrants want to one day go back to their country. i frequently hear stories from immigrants who say that when they make enough money, they will go back to their country. i hear american born colombians in america refer to colombia as their country and not usa. my aunti is a chinese in america, and she has never learned the english, never associates with americans, and only eats chinese food. would you call her an expat? because she is always talking about if she ever wins the lottery, she will go back to hong kong. i used to know a chinese woman who immigrated to canada, just to get a canadian passport, so that she can travel to countries visa free. she had no intention of staying in canada. she wasnt even in canada half the time, and just wanted to fulfil the 2yrs in order to get the citizenship. she had a house in china, and her husband and kids were there also. would she be considered an immigrant? they say that an immigrant is someone who is settled in a foreign country, and burned all bridges with their country of origin, but you will find that in fact many mexican americans go back to mexico quite frequently and for long periods of time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tricki is up (kinda sorta) by toomuchcoffeeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>toomuchcoffeeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One I remember fondly from my undergrad days is this one (in the context of something to do with Poisson processes, which I&#039;ve long since forgotten):

&quot;When in doubt, interchange the order of integration and summation. Miracles can occur.&quot;

I wonder if it&#039;s already on the wiki?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One I remember fondly from my undergrad days is this one (in the context of something to do with Poisson processes, which I&#8217;ve long since forgotten):</p>
<p>&#8220;When in doubt, interchange the order of integration and summation. Miracles can occur.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s already on the wiki?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The truth about mathematics. by gowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I agree that it is not completely clear what the question “Is the continuum hypothesis true?” means. However, I think it is clear enough what the question “Is it true that every even natural number is equal to the sum of two prime numbers?” In the latter case, it certainly does *not* mean “Is it provable in ZFC that …?” For questions about arithmetic to ask “Is it true that every X has property Y?” is to ask, simply “Does every X have property Y?”&lt;/em&gt;

In response to the above remarks of Daryl McCullough, let me say what my instincts are. In general they&#039;re pretty similar to Matt&#039;s: I am uneasy about any notion of mathematical truth that smacks of metaphysics. However, I have degrees of unease, and I&#039;m not sure I can justify them. I can see that I would have a hard time defending the view that there is no fact of the matter as to whether every even natural number is the sum of two primes (jokes about 2 being a counterexample apart), but if I go one level deeper in the quantification then my attitude changes. 

For example, is there a fact of the matter about whether the decimal expansion of $latex \pi$ contains infinitely many 0s? The difference here is that an imaginary thought experiment (in which, say, you are punished for your earthly sins by being put in a cell and told to watch as the digits of $latex \pi$ run past you for ever) never comes to an end, regardless of what you observe at any finite stage. The analogous Goldbach verification probably wouldn&#039;t come to an end either, but one can at least entertain the possibility that an even integer might come along and spring a huge surprise. 

One might argue as follows. If I concede that there is a fact of the matter as to whether $latex \pi$ contains at least one 0 after the nth digit, then surely I am now reduced to asking whether some factual statement holds (namely not having any more 0s after the nth digit) for at least one $latex n.$ And now I am back with a statement of the Goldbach type. But I don&#039;t buy that, because in the Goldbach situation one can check statement $latex n$ in finite time and here one cannot: it seems to me to be genuinely worse.

If we deepen the quantification further, by asking whether the proportion of 0s in the decimal expansion of $latex \pi$ tends to 1/10, then all these concerns only increase. The imaginary thought experiment becomes wilder and wilder.

In fact, I have some sympathy with ultrafinitism: I&#039;m tempted to say that there may be no fact of the matter as to whether the proportion of 0s in the first Ackermann(10,10) digits of $latex \pi$ is under 20 percent. Of course, if someone came up with a proof, then I would change my tune completely. But what if it was a statement that had no proof short enough to write down?

I do have one argument on the other side, which is that although we may not have a proof, we do at least have &lt;em&gt;evidence&lt;/em&gt; that we can look at, such as how the digits of $latex \pi$ behave. The fact that we take this evidence seriously could be taken as showing that we do have some concept of the truth or falsity of statements about the long-term behaviour: it&#039;s just that to justify our beliefs we use inductive rather than deductive methods. But this is to use the word &quot;truth&quot; in a somewhat different way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I agree that it is not completely clear what the question “Is the continuum hypothesis true?” means. However, I think it is clear enough what the question “Is it true that every even natural number is equal to the sum of two prime numbers?” In the latter case, it certainly does *not* mean “Is it provable in ZFC that …?” For questions about arithmetic to ask “Is it true that every X has property Y?” is to ask, simply “Does every X have property Y?”</em></p>
<p>In response to the above remarks of Daryl McCullough, let me say what my instincts are. In general they&#8217;re pretty similar to Matt&#8217;s: I am uneasy about any notion of mathematical truth that smacks of metaphysics. However, I have degrees of unease, and I&#8217;m not sure I can justify them. I can see that I would have a hard time defending the view that there is no fact of the matter as to whether every even natural number is the sum of two primes (jokes about 2 being a counterexample apart), but if I go one level deeper in the quantification then my attitude changes. </p>
<p>For example, is there a fact of the matter about whether the decimal expansion of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> contains infinitely many 0s? The difference here is that an imaginary thought experiment (in which, say, you are punished for your earthly sins by being put in a cell and told to watch as the digits of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> run past you for ever) never comes to an end, regardless of what you observe at any finite stage. The analogous Goldbach verification probably wouldn&#8217;t come to an end either, but one can at least entertain the possibility that an even integer might come along and spring a huge surprise. </p>
<p>One might argue as follows. If I concede that there is a fact of the matter as to whether <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> contains at least one 0 after the nth digit, then surely I am now reduced to asking whether some factual statement holds (namely not having any more 0s after the nth digit) for at least one <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=n.&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='n.' title='n.' class='latex' /> And now I am back with a statement of the Goldbach type. But I don&#8217;t buy that, because in the Goldbach situation one can check statement <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=n&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='n' title='n' class='latex' /> in finite time and here one cannot: it seems to me to be genuinely worse.</p>
<p>If we deepen the quantification further, by asking whether the proportion of 0s in the decimal expansion of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> tends to 1/10, then all these concerns only increase. The imaginary thought experiment becomes wilder and wilder.</p>
<p>In fact, I have some sympathy with ultrafinitism: I&#8217;m tempted to say that there may be no fact of the matter as to whether the proportion of 0s in the first Ackermann(10,10) digits of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> is under 20 percent. Of course, if someone came up with a proof, then I would change my tune completely. But what if it was a statement that had no proof short enough to write down?</p>
<p>I do have one argument on the other side, which is that although we may not have a proof, we do at least have <em>evidence</em> that we can look at, such as how the digits of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpi&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='\pi' title='\pi' class='latex' /> behave. The fact that we take this evidence seriously could be taken as showing that we do have some concept of the truth or falsity of statements about the long-term behaviour: it&#8217;s just that to justify our beliefs we use inductive rather than deductive methods. But this is to use the word &#8220;truth&#8221; in a somewhat different way.</p>
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